THERE IS AN URGENT MEETING TO DISCUSS :
- 1. THE CURRENT PARKING PROBLEMS
- 2. ENFORCEMENT
- 3. RANK SPACES
- 4. ANNUAL TARIF INCREASE
- 5. TRADE REPRESENTATIVES
- 6. ANY OTHER ISSUES
AT THE LABOUR CLUB ON TUESDAY 5TH MAY 2009 AT 7PM.
IT IS VITAL THAT EVERYONE ATTENDS TO HEAR THE CURRENT PROGRESS AND POSITION AND TO VOICE THEIR VIEWPOINT.
THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN ATTENDING MEETINGS WITH THE COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF THE TRADE AND WERE PUT FORWARD AT THE LAST MEETING.
- 1. GRAHAM GOLDIE
- 2. ZAFAR SHARIF
- 3. MARK DAVISON
- 4. STEVE CARDELLA
- 5. SALEEM GANY
- 6. ROBBIE HANLON
- 7. RUFON UDDIN
- 8. TURAN DENERT
- 9. DEWAN CHOWDARY
- 10. JOE ROY
- 11. KHALIL HUSSAIN
- 12. IKHLAQ HUSSAIN (RICKY)
EXTENTION OF EXISTING AND NEW RANK SPACES THAT ARE
URGENTLY NEEDED IN NEWCASTLE
NIGHTIME RANKS – 6PM TO 7AM
- 1. Northside of Scotswood Rd from Traffic lights outside Switch in a SW direction for 30M from railing. 6 CARS
- 2. Marlborough Crescent extend existing Westside Rank outside Flame and Grill Northwoods for 61M. 12 CARS
- 3. Marlborough Crescent Eastside from Railings Northwoods for 65M. 13 CARS
- 4. Westmorland Road Northside from St James Boulevard to Waterloo St for 30M. 6 CARS
- 5. Westmorland Road Southside from St James Boulevard to Waterloo St for 26M. 5 CARS
- 6. Westmorland Road Northside from Waterloo St in a Easterly for 40M to Clayton St+25M outside Eclipse Bar, TOTAL 65M. 13 CARS
- 7. Neville St Southside from Bus Stop outside Life Centre Easterly for 25M+32M+7M+91M= 155M to Westside Stn Portico Bus Stops. 31 CARS
- 8. Neville St Northside Loading Bay from Clayton St Junction Easterly for 50M. 10 CARS
- 9. Bewick St from Junc into Neville St in a NW direction for 46M. 9 CARS
- 10. Westgate Rd Northside (Outside Carling Acadamy) from Clayton St W Junc in a Easterly for Direction for 25M. 5 CARS
- 11. Clayton Street West loading bay Westside (outside Burger King) for 19M. 4 CARS
- 12. Westgate Road from the Junction with Pudding Chare Westwoods for 60M to Union Rooms. 12 CARS
- 13. Collingwood Street from Junction with Groat Market- 15M from Traffic lights in a westerly direction for 80M to Revolution. 16 CARS
- 14. Westgate Rd Eastside opposite the Toyko Pub from Junction with Collinwood St for 55M. 11 CARS
- 15. Pudding Chare from Revolution eastside for 70M to Fleet St. 14 CARS
- 16. Grainger St South of Junction with Newgate St Westside for 45M from junction Newgate St. 9 CARS
- 17. Grainger St South of Junction with Newgate St Eastside for 45M from junction Newgate St. 9 CARS
- 18. Newgate St Northside from junc with Clayton St to Grainger St for 47M+24M=71M includes existing Rank. 14 CARS
- 19. Newgate St Westside Bus stop Area outside Co-op for 66M. 13 CARS
- 20. Stowell St Northside Cosmic Ball Rooms to Spot White for 65M. 13 CARS
- 21. Stowell St Southside from Aspers Easterly for 20M. 4 CARS
- 22. Gallowgate Flame from Railing Westerly direction for 27M. 5 CARS
- 23. St James Football Ground Strawberry Place from Shearers Bar Bus stop in a Westerly
direction to Shop for 75M. ( **ALSO DAYSHIFT MATCH DAYS ONLY ** ) 15 CARS
- 24. Leases Lane Southside in a NW direction for 62M. 12 CARS
- 25. St Thomas St Northside from traffic restriction westwoods full length of bus stop area 50M. 10 CARS
- 26. N/c Uni Eastside from Student Union Building in Northerly direction for 35M. 7 CARS
- 27. Archibold Terrace Mr Lynchs Both sides from entrance’ As you Like It’ Full Length for 48M. 9 CARS
- 28. St Mary’s Place Southside from Point 8m its junc with J D St for 86M. 17 CARS
- 29. Northumberland Rd Northside extend existing Rank to Turning Perimeter for 46M. 9 CARS
- 30. Northumberland Rd Southside whole of Disabled Bays for 46M. 9 CARS
- 31. Gray St Westside outside Legends in a Southerly Direction for 60M. 12 CARS
- 32. Gray St Westside extend and Join existing Ranks in a Northerly Direction for 60M. 12 CARS
- 33. Pilgrim St extend existing Rank Westside in a Southerly Direction junc Market Lane for 16M. 3 CARS
- 34. Market St Northside from Existing Rank at Venue in a Westerly Direction for 60M. 12 CARS
- 35. Market St Northside from Traffic lights JD St Easterly Direction for 42M. 8 CARS
- 36. Market St Southside from Croft St Easterly Direction for 35M. 7 CARS
- 37. Carliol Square Rank to be extended and join both together in a Southerly Direction for 60M. 12 CARS
- 38. Mosley St Northside from junc with Gray St in a Easterly Direction to Flares for 58M. 11 CARS
- 39. Mosley St Southside from junc with Gray St in a Easterly Direction to St Nicks 58M. 11 CARS
- 40. St Nicholas St Eastside Outside Cathedral Door in a Southerly Direction for 30M. 6 CARS
- 41. Dean St Eastside from Car Park Ent. in a Southerly Direction for 43M. Blue Velvet. 8 CARS
- 42. Quayside Northside from Sandhill joining and extending existing Rank in a Westerly direction for 150M. From Redhouse to the Cooperage. 30 CARS
- 43. Big Market outside TJ Hughes 15M x 10M area. 9 CARS
- 44. Central Square Westside from junction with Forth St for 85M then 25M Eastside next to JT Doves, total 110M. 22 CARS
- 45. Irish centre – loading bay 10M 2 CARS
24 HOUR RANKS
- 46. Churchill Street extend existing Rank by 25M in a Easterly direction. 5 CARS
- 47. Grainger St North of Junction with Newgate St Westside for 33M from junction Newgate St.
6 CARS
- 48. Grainger St North of Junction with Newgate St Eastside for 33M from junction Newgate St. 6 CARS
- 49. Newgate St Southside from junc with Clayton St to Grainger St extend for 91M includes existing Rank. 18 CARS
- 50. St Andrews St extend existing Rank in a Northerly direction for 50M (+28M both sides car park entrance, Match Days only). – Gallowgate Rank TOTAL 102M 10 CARS(20 CARS)
- 51. Leases Lane extend existing rank on Northside in a NW direction for 45M. 9 CARS
- 52. Exhibition Park Westside extend Rank in a Northerly direction for 30M. 6 CARS
- 53. Northumberland Road Service Area Eastside Extend existing Rank to join both Ranks for 56M. 11 CARS
- 54. New Bridge Street West outside Central Library for Three Cars (existing) for 15M. 3 CARS
- 55. Nothumberland St bttm junc New Bridge St W Semi Circle For 4 Cars for 20 M. 4 CARS
- 56. Blackett St loading Bays North and South junc with Pilgrim St for 12M. 2 CARS
- 57. Blackett St Southside From Eldon Sq Entrance Westerly Direction for 10M. 2 CARS
- 58. Hood Street extend existing Rank Northside in a Easterly Direction for 30M. 5 CARS
- 59. Hood Street Southside Easterly Direction for 30M, Current Disabled bays. 6 CARS
- 60. Dean Street Northside from Akenside Traders in a Westerly Direction for 80M. 16 CARS
- 61. Quayside outside chase door in a Westerly direction for 20M. 4 CARS
- 62. Broadchare Westside existing Rank to be extended in a NW Direction for 71M. 14 CARS
- 63. Forster St outside the Travelodge Bothsides for 10m eachside. 4 CARS
- 64. Osborne Rd in a Northerly Direction from the junc Mistletoe Rd to Acorn Rd Both Sides. 135M 27 CARS
- 65. Osborne Rd in a Northerly Direction from Acorn Rd Junc Westside for 30M. 6 CARS
- 66. Osbourne Rd in a Northerly Direction from Bar Blanc Eastside for 48M. 9 CARS
DAYSHIFT ONLY
- 1. From Meze Bar outside Eldon Square entrance Westside Clayton St in a Southerly direction for 30M. 6 CARS
- 2. From Black Garter Pub Eastside both laybys in a Southerly direction for 60M. 12 CARS
- 3. Northumberland Road Service Area Extend Rank Eastside for 12M where Bins are currently. 2 CARS
- 4. John Dobson St outside Central Library extend both directions North and South for 44M. 8 CARS
SPECIAL OCCAISONS
- 1. North Road ALL Bus Stop Areas next to Forsythe Rd Junction Hoppings Week. 10 CARS
- 2. Pottery Lane Southside for 50M and Roundabout From bttm of Arena steps + One way system on event days. i.e. Pottery lane IN and Shot Factory Lane OUT for all Traffic.10 CARS
- 3. ANY SHORT TERM EVENT ADEQUATE RANK SPACE PROVISION MUST BE A CONDITION OF EVENT APPROVAL OR LICENSE.
TOTAL NUMBER OF RANK SPACES APPLIED FOR ARE 708.
{ 63 comments… read them below or add one }
good luck with that. I cant see the council changing disabled bays into 2hr ranks, removing parking bays that make them money or putting ranks where you now have double yellow lines as they will have to admit that all these new lines are not only in areas that need to be kept clear and are just revenue makers. Some of the place you are asking for would mean restricting traffic or reducing pavement space, cant see that happening.
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@SC, Pessimist!…..or …Optimist?
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@Admin, realist! I think they would have more of a chance of the put a bit of research into the suggested new ranks site i.e. cost, traffic impact, passing trade, cctv coverage etc
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@SC, how do you know they havn’t researched? how do you know that this is not a list provided by the council? Pessimist I think.
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lets be hounest here,
with licencing turning there back on the trade for the last god knows how long, meetings with the head of the council, and proposals by whoever, is a start!
and sc if you dont ask … and to be hounest, if these are requests from the trade, where else would you suggest that we put ranks for the 800 cars? in the sky? on the town moor?
had licenncing and the traffic and regenration department, NOT ignored pleas from the trade for so long, then we probably wouldnt be where we are at now.
but i would like to say, once again, well done to all those lads who took the time and effort to arrange these meetings, and if the rest all hoy our weight behind you, and the trade, then we may get what we need, somewhere to ply our business, and proper enforcement of the city centre!
and thats whats needed, we still have mr. ex blueline in his black derwentside hackney audi with his five star stickers on picking up left right and centre, his latest being 3 hen night girls outside of kiss (on a 2 car hack rank) at 3.00 am this morning! christ how hard would it be to catch this guy!
and well done to the fenham taxi, silver/green 406 who picked up a blatant flagdown outside the clayton street chippy, stopped for them, but only picked them up as i turned right,
ohh and mr. silver doblo, gatehead hack, who tried to pick a flagdown up outside market street police station, only swerving back onto the road and shooting off through the lights when he relised i was behind him!
unfortunately, because i value the saftey of my passengers, i didnt get a chance to write down the registrations, as often i wasnt stationery. and please dont try and insult my intelligence by saying they could have been bookings, i know what a flag down is, thats someone who stands at the side of the road with there arm out while several cars go past!
and is this where we are now heading, flimping progressing into blatant picking up off the sides of the streets!
and admin i may have something for you to hoy up on here soon, but i will email you when it gets here.
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@admin, I hope they have and can present a strong, well researched case to the council. But I still dont think the council or the police will pass ranks that restrict traffic
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Did any of you’s newcastle hack drivers notice how much work the black passatt estate , registraton RN05 NCA does from newcastle city centre all his pick ups are from either Mushroom, Mcdonalds or Pizza hut and everyone turns a blind eye !
He was on more than one occasion last night sitting inbetween the hacks outside Mcdonalds and picking up !
Am disapponionted he was not confronted as it is YOUR work he was stealing the town now is a pure joke a free for all with every other neighbouring boroughs cars coming into town and taking there chances
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@Am133,
Am133,
the hacks ARE NOT ‘turning a blind eye’, it is the enforcement that choose to do this!
many many drivers have told the licencing what is going on and where, even presenting lists of cars that regularly pick up in the same spots, that we believe to be flimping!
can you tell me why i should get out of my vehicle and argue with some driver that that is not his booking! what should i do mount the path and block him in? get the police? do you not think that we have tried that!? the only other message they understand is verbal or physical threats, and why should I LOSE my job cause others are not doing theres properly! and dont give me the auld, thats what they would have done 20 years ago, times change mate, fast. 20 years ago you could get the belt at school, or smack you kids. these days you can end up in a cell for simply having a heated argument.
comon licencing even the private hire lads see what is happening!
SC,
the hackney rank (extension of the gate) that starts outside subway and goes as far down to halfords, takes up most of one lane, and could be classed as restricting traffic, so if they are willing to put in one, whats the problem with others! and as for the police, well look around on most weekday nights, or even fridays, hacks are parked up all over the place, mosley street, collingwood street etc etc, every now and again we get shifted, like when someone parks to close to a corners and a police car cannot get up the market, or private hire cars pull in the middle causeing hacks to attempt to manuvre round them. wouldnt it be better to mark the safe places where the rank starts and stops? and make sure hacks and hacks only park on them! making the polices job easier of shifting one or two cars on that are not on a rank, instead of 20 or 30? and lets be hounest, should there really be that much traffic in the city centre at 11.00 pm on a weekend or weekday night? as i recall last time enforcement did a sting there was hardly a private hire car to be seen!
when you issue a small compact city such as newcastle upon tyne with 800 hackney vehicles, then you should be taking into consideration where these vehicles are to ply there trade. as i have said, had regeneration and licencing not shout out the trade, then we would not be at where we are now, any developments should have been consulted with the trade as to where is best to try and place a hackney rank. the answer they have been giving us for a long time is to drive round and round, yet they didnt like it when we had 230 cars driving round the haymarket, in there ‘no idoling’ zone!
and i believe, the meetings have taking place with the council, and as have said when the head of the council meets a delegation from the trade, and acknowledges a problem, then we have a start.
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@andy warhol,
Sorry Andy for sounding like i was having a go i was just so frustrated at what i had witnessed especially as i had done an honest 12 hours work on a busy student night (carnage) for a whole £57 and am sitting helplessly watching these cars doing what the hell they want.
What in the hell do we pay our licence fees for can anyone tell my how many enforcement officers are employed by newcastle ?
I would love to see them out everynight and i think any other honest law abiding taxi driver would say the same !
So as Andy said above Come on licencing please sort this mess out and take us seriously
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and might i also point out sc, that most of these ranks are already, illegal ranks used on a regular basis by out of towners or private hire for flimping reasons, so firstly theres already cars at many of these places and secondly, by putting ranks here, the council and licecning will be helping to enforce the law, AND doing there utmost to improve passenger saftey, dont you think?
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and back am133,
we had a guy who was parking outside the kebab shop on highbridge street, picking up fares, even the delivery lads pointed this out, but already most regular lads to the market knew about this. MANY times i told the police, only to be told see your licececing, now this was even going on after a hack driver prevented a rape by someone picking people up off the streets! Only 1 officer chased him, as he said he knew him, so he wasnt obviously a savory character! None of the others gave a flying …
now at a meeting after the sting, i pointed out to an enforcement officer, Mr. o’Brien, what was happening, others said that they too had seen him, i gave the car type, colour description of the driver, where and when he parking, he didnt want to know unless i gave him a reg, how many people were parking outside teh kebeb shop that fited this description, i mean he even had a blanket on his back seat, then half a computer chair! parking in more or less the same place, he wouldnt have been hard to catch, but how would enforcement catch him oit with there matching licencing issued jackets and notepads sticking out there pockets!
i have not seen this lad for a while, prison? but i know later he moved onto grey street outside the cashpoints when that kebab shop closed! when he gets out, he’ll do it again, and again, maybe one day commiting a despicable act, we dont know, but they were warned!
but what would YOU do am133? forget the police, they dont want to know, its 12.00 pm and licencing are all tucked up in bed?
or if you were in the hack behind this black estate? you have no right to tell him to get out a bus stop, he tells you he’s booked, what would YOU do?
thats why we need more ranks, in these key places, drivers DO tell people that they cannot park on hack ranks, private hire often move in the bigg market …
… i await your reply
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biggest problem with the net, people will what you say how they like. i was just striking up some debate, as thats why we come here isnt it?
but, your right, what do we pay out licecing for? can any experts **cough** the lighthouse bloke, tell us how licecning calculate our plate fees, why is the hack fee more than the private hire, and what are they supposed to do with that cash. i presume we pay extra for ‘rank’ spaces, just a guess.
now if its not a figure plucked from thin air, can we find out how much they got in and what they spend it on? and then maybe cross reference it with the work that has been done, i.e, if hacks DO pay more for rank spaces, when were the last ranks provided, and how many are maintained, i.e. the ones that light up.
i could be wrong here, it could just be someones birth dates or lucky numbers …
… so what do we pay our licencing for?
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my point still remains, some of the NEW ranks being asked for would restrict busy sections of road as rush hour i.e. # Westmorland Road Northside from St James Boulevard to Waterloo St for 30M. 6 CARS
# 5. Westmorland Road Southside from St James Boulevard to Waterloo St for 26M. 5 CARS.Quayside outside chase door in a Westerly direction for 20M. 4 CARS
Maybe if they requested ranks in areas like this from 8pm to 6am it would show to the powers that be that they want ranks that benefit the public.
Also where they have requested bus stop to become ranks after 6pm or all the bus stops on the great north road on hoppings week to become ranks, where do they expect the buses to stop?
This is why I have said they could do with a bit more research, it would present a stronger argument if they requested some of the ranks for peak taxi hours.
IMO if the council read that list and can discredit many of the proposed ranks, it will loose creditability
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as admin already said,
how do you not know that the council have presented this list to licencing?
how do you not know that many or all of these have been agreed to?
i attended a meeting about a month ago, they had already had one meeting with the head of the council, with another the next week, and no doubt others afterwards. But i do know that they were not going to arrange another meeting untill all these had taken place and there was information to pass onto the trade.
as for the hoppings, can you tell me why a bus cannot stop in the bus lane to drop off at the roadside at temporary buss stops for 1 week? we cannot rank up in a buss lane, but for many years busses have stopped in the road to pickup or drop off, and they wont be holding up any traffic, as they shouldnt be in the buss lane till after 7, when there should be as much traffic, or even make it buss and taxi 24 hour 7 days a week. surely this is safer than a lady trying to get half a dozen kids accross the roads to a taxi rank on forsyth road!
quite simply sc, most problems have a solution, not always the popular one, and like i have said, had the people who should have taking this into consideration years ago done so , we wouldnt be where we are at now!
all i know is when you aim to be a green city, you cannot ask 800 cars to do laps of the city centre looking for a place to work, you cannot issue 800 hackney plates and then put ranks in back lanes in obscure places and expect them to be happy, when you shut out a major mode of transport in the city centre to all talks when regeneration takes place you end up where we are now.
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I take it that this is list is the subject of the meeting that it is the list that they have or will submit? if not why is it being presented on here as the talking point for the next meeting?
you’re right,I dont know that many or all of these have been agreed to, but i’d put next weeks takens on the fact they haven’t, due to the unrealistic locations of some of them and that why would the council agree with in a few months to something they have failed to acknowledge for years?
As for the bus stops, how many buses use the great north road? if stopping in the road wasn’t going to be a problem they would not have bus stops. why not push for a rank the the moor its self? that way your not p*ssing the bus company’s off, no blocking of the roads? you could have a well designed rank right on site? or do they want other people yo fit around them?
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@SC,
sc,
what happens on the west road, one of THE main routes into the city centre? how many busses run on this route? I have yet to see a buss park in a buss stop if there is one available, they all just stop and hold up ALL the traffic irrelevant of the time of day!
so would this be a problem for one week on the great north road? and as for p*ssing off buss companys! do we not also pay to the have the RIGHT to seek work, why do the buss companys get so much priorty in the city centre and hack drivers treated like second class citizens!
sc, if fact lets ALL just give up our cars, so theres zero traffic on the roads for the busses, ohh, and we’ll all use busses, so we dont p*ss them off!
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@SC, Can commenters please write their comments prior to having a few cans.
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Never a truer word spoken Andy. Does SC really think that we have not done our home work on the proposed ranks that we have put foreward..?There has been a lot of hard work done by the 12 Delegates over the last few weeks and many meetings held with the council. We can now only wait and see what will come from it. This is a new beginning in Newcastle for the taxi trade and I strongly believe things will only get better. Just give it time as things won’t get done over night. Let’s hope it starts with a good turn out at the labour club next Tuesday. But thanks anyway Sc & Andy for your support.
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Would genuine newcastle upon tyne licensed non flimping drivers be aloud to come along to this meeting at the labour club ?
just a thought …………….
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I have started taking time and date stamped photos for now mate of the more obvious ones such as the black passatt estate sitting for nearly 2 hrs between three locations but am like you wondering what else we can do ……………………………………..
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@Am133, Sorry Mate, Newcastle Hacks only but your input does not go amiss on this site. If you have any pictures you would like to share with the site please feel free to send them in.
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@Andy warhol, if it would be a problem or not, that is what the council and the police will say when asked for these ranks.
right or wrong buses will always get priority in any city centre because they are seen by the government (and Europe) as the way forward in improving the environment and reducing traffic.
I agree that Taxi and PH drivers are seen as second call citizens to the powers that be (you only have to talk to anybody in the licensing department) , but hitting them with reasonable, will thought out requests can only help challenge their opinions
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@SC,
good job your not one of the delegates then sc, as you probably wouldnt have even bothered going to the meeting, clearly knowing what the would allegedly say before any meetings take place!
but it does seem odd, IF the council dont care, (thats Council, not licecning) that they went to the nbother of arranging further meetings?
and maybe it’s time for the government to wake up, most busses drive round half empty, and i believe give massive subsidies to keep them on the road.
as for enviromental? have you sat behind a buss in traffic! i know if my car chucked out black soot like they do, then i would be off the road within a week. 780 hacks, how many busses running none stop? i reckon we leave less of a carbon footprint!
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I heard that Newcastle council have taken on 8 new enforcement officers.
Has anybody else heard this?
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If they have they must be scared of the dark like the rest of them !!
must admit though i heard they’d taken on 7 a few weeks ago !
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@Am133,
2 enfocement officers were seen by the arena, on friday(?) night, I belive they were more interested in the catering van than taxis, yet the taxi drivers were nmore worried that they would move us off double yellow lines, i dont think they would even they would be that stupid when 3000 people were just about to walk out!
but there were, apparently, on the queside earlier on chasing the hacks off double yellow lines!
Good job that corsa only parks in parking bays then eh!
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Do Newcastle city hacks think that they are the only people entititled to earn a living,Honestly they all have a bloody big chip on their shoulders,WAKE up and smell the coffee.
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@Flimper for fun,
no ‘mate’
newcastle city hacks KNOW that they are the only people legally insured and licenced to pick up members of the public within the boundries of newcastle upon tyne.
do you have a daughter?
if you do, then you would probably have no problem in sending her to grey street to look for Mr. corsa (see below) to take her home, i’m sure he’ll do a ‘better’ deal than newcastle city hacks. let us know how she gets on!
and if you dont have children, then perhaps thats best for the gene pool …
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well well well,
another bank holliday weekend out the way and another free for all …
… IF licencing have taking on 7 or 8 new enforcement officers, then maybe they should liase with the 12 delegates on WHO is flimping and WHERE! Not that this hasnt been done before, the police and Mr. o’brien were giving a comprehensive list last june by a vast amount of people ion the trade, and to be hounest mr. o’briens pen probably ran out half way through!
but this is what i seen this weekend of MAJOR concern …
… mr. corsa REGISTRATION M632 GJR Maroon/Red in colour, yes that guy is back, he first was parked on shakespere street, but he must not have had much luck as he soon moved to grey street, outside the cashpoint on the corner of highbridge! He still has his computer chair on the back seat, which promptly gets put in the boot when he picks up, he sometimes wears glasses, pale faced, black hair, and always seems to be wearing the same clothes. I’m not going to bother ringing licecning, they probably view this forum anyway, as they have been told, as have the police and this is the last time i bother to try and warn about this guy. All i will finish on this matter is good luck in explaining this to the press if he does something to any innocent partygoer, as they will be pointed in this direction to see that the warnings were just not heeded!
secondly,
there is a 6 seater, possibly the zafira mentioned on here, with blacked out windows a telephone number in the rear windows, and no food or drink, NO plate whatsoever, not even the outline of one in the rear window, i belive its blue in colour, NO private hire stickers, any way as i passed him on mosley street as he was entering the bigg market, the driver looks extremely like the guy who used to park outside ameens in a citreon with a private hire sign on the top with PIZZA stuck on. he wasnt a delivery driver for any of the places in the market, i know them all, and later in the evening he would park between liquid and for your eyes only. I seen this car last week as well outside flairs, no doubt i will see him next week and will try and get his registration and hoy it up, ohh and he also had a cb/radio in, as i seen it hanging from the rear view mirror, something the citreon guy also had in. my guess, he’s got the car off an ex taxi driver and kept it all the same way to convince the public he’s geniune!
so come one licencing, do we really need pople who must be unable to even get a berwick badge and plate staying untraceable and taking people home! how many joe public jumping in ther cars and comming out on a weekend night as taxis drivers will it take before you act!
and also putting in his regular guest apopearence this weekend doing as he pleases, mr. shanks ex employee the black audi on the derwentside plate with the aisan driver …
once again no doubt i will see him again this weekend, i’ll get his registration and where he was working, but this guy is as blatant as they come and is all over the market, stopping just short of picking up off ranks!
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@Andy
The black audi on the derwentside plate reg beginig RN05 is now at lansdowne mate , if you look on his front windscreen bout were the rear view mirror is he just has a tiny white sticker saying lansdowne prob’s cut out of a private hire topsign sticker !
Problem with him is the amount of newcastle hacks (asian) that stop for a chat he most likely is related to some of them who will no doubt turn a blind eye !!
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@Am133,
well that happens on ‘both sides of the fence’, people turn a blind eye to those they know, and that is part of the reason of why we are where we are. just to clarify though, turning a blind eye does not mean working hand in hand.
but, once again, i pose the question, is it really OUR fault? the one people who should not be turning a blind eye are the ones who dont even fullfilling that part of there job description!
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@andy warhol, People keep talking about The black audi on the derwentside plate reg RN05 *** can nobody get a picture and lets have it in the Hall of Shame!
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@Admin,
well a whole weekend, and i never seen this guy… once! and thats saying something, i’ve seen this guy that much in the past i was starting to think of him as the brother i never had! and i didnt see the corsa guy on grey street, nor the is it, or isnt it a taxi!
were enforcement out? have they been caught? are they on holliday, perhaps together laughing at the trade?
probably not, they probably just been going places i aint!
but we’ll see what we can do for the photos, its getting hold of a camera that takes a decent phot at night, i had one but it was too dark to make anything owt, even when i hoyed the picture on the pc, and i dont have the fancy latest mobiles, infact mine you still have to put 10p’s in to make a call!
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Is it beyond some of you to get off your arse, flag down the suspect drivers, create the illegal hire and set the driver up, give evidence and become the witness the council needs to prosecute ?
If the council still do nothing its time to hang your hat up !!!
Good luck
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mr shanks
how can you have the front to come on here and say that ?when 50% maybe more of your cars run around with no topsign for the general puplic to see that they are infact a berwick plated vehicle. also i myself alerted you to the fact that the saab driving around with the young lady driver had no plate at all ,but now it seems she has stuck it in the back window and i have on 3 occasions now saw her smoking whilst driving .
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just like you have eh ? stupid fool did you get the drivers you caught prosecuted???? no you didnt and why not??
If the council still do nothing its time to hang your hat up !!!
what is that supposed to mean?
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so i assume you will be doing the same, with regards to your berwick plated vehicles, after all it was the JUDGE who said that the law was being exploited.
and give me one reason mr. shanks, why i should, in these times of economic strain, give up a weekend night to go and do a job that i already contribute towards licencing to do!
‘hang your hat up’ , well thats what ‘they’ want isnt it, they being licencing, private hire drivers and out of town drivers, and office owners …
… do you do what ‘they’ do? ian, not many people want berwick plates on the road in newcastle, but that rolls off your back like water off a ducks.
unfortunately due to personal reasons, i was unable to attend the meeting last night, so i’m not in a position to comment, but i will be speaking to those who went tonight. and before all you lot start, this is real life and these things happen, its the first ‘meeting’ i have missed in a while.
ohh and ian, can i pose a question to you now then? why do you no longer come on here regularly, does this place no longer seem a good ‘advert’ for blt? and can you confirm the allegations that you are indeed snapping up berwick plates, and if so for what purpose?
good luck.
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Its no good mate when you question Mr Shanks about all the Bandits driving around with no top signs and plates in the back window he just does’nt want to know.
Now if he wants to run a Firm that has illegal taxis thats up to him.If you compare two of the biggest firms in the North East Blueline and Dean what do we see, Blueline who have cars from at least 5-6 boroughs working for them and Dean who have only Gateshead working for them,now who would you say is the more professional run company.It does prove that Mr Shanks is purly out there to make money and couldnt give a flying fack about the image of his company,and thats up to him and iam sure we all wish him the best.
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i agree with “Logging Off” ive driven for dean taxis for almost ten years ,and its true they only have gateshead plated vehicles (private hire and hackney ) and it is a very well run company ,but like most offices it does have a few bad apples .
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andy i am staying away as like the articles here show people including yourself see any comment as a reason to have a pop !!
if this sight is for simple slagging i don’t need that.
i have been prepared to put my views and beliefs on the table and it simply causes a race to see who can come up with the biggest and cleverest snipes !!
this sight should be constructive and its simply not !!
cheers !
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no mr shanks
your staying away because you can not pull the wool over our eyes. just like you try to do to everyone .its no wonder people on here have “a pop” you seem to think you can run your fleet just as you like ,ie smoking in the cars, plates stuck in the back window (if there atall),flimping at a huge scale ,no top signs. the list goes on
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ian,
i’ve only had a ‘pop’ when you have a pop at the hack trade, or when you suggest or say something that i disagree with, i then try, through limited education of english literature, to explain why i dont agree with you.
i dont dislike you, i dont even know you, for all i know you could spend your free time serving soup in a homeless kitchen. And even though i, and many others (including some of your own drivers) have a ‘pop’ we all have to ask ourselves would we do what you do in your position! we might not get so many hounest replys then.
but its simple, we both have very different ideas of the trade, and how it should evolve in future years. we both have our reasons.
yes we have to admit, that there has been pettyness, on both sides, how can we persecute a BLT for smoking in his car, how many hacks and ph do we see every night flouting this law!
but ian, when you throw something at someone, you have to allow them to be able to respond. to my knowledge, i dont belive that i have done anything to ‘slag’ you off, merely give you my view, as have others, on what you have said. likewise you do, and i dont take this critism as an attempt to slag me off, just you have a different agenda, some for people to see, and in my opinion, another that you dont want people to see.
maybe we just have different ideas of what ‘slagging off’ is, although something tells me that admin vetting the posts has a much better idea!
but i ended up agreeing with you that, if the law is ok with the level of tint a vehicle has, then maybe it should be passed as a taxi, but you must admit, some out of towners have taken that tint overboard. plates in the rear window, i disagree with you that this is ok, but, and i say BUT, is this mr. shanks fault that so many blt berwick boys do this? can he really be in one place all the time, and its easy to have the plate put back in the window after blt have inspected it, i expect. No my opinion is it’s berwick councils (or the former) for licecning cars 60 miles down the road and then expecting to know what they are getting up to.
but ian, can i ask, do you take critism of berwick plates personally? as that has to be the number one topic on here that ph and hacks agree on. do you take this as a pop at blt or you personally, if so why?
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and can i just say, to whoever it was who made the statement about hacks being this and that and this is why everyone uses ph now, and that they were none stop at weekends, then why did i notice so many hounest lads from various firms, parked up on estates, in laybys, and outside there offices from 10.00 pm onwards…
… not one had the look of joy that making these so called fortunes would cast upon your face…
… they actually reminded me of what i see in some hack drivers faces everynight, worry, stress and strain.
so, please feel free to enlighten me as to why these guys wernt bothered about making money this weekend if there is so much to be made at these offices?
or, is the truth, that we are all in trouble, cause my opinion is, IF ph supposedly bring people into the city, then friday, they must have forgotten where it was judging by the lack of people out there!
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Andy
i take most of your comments as debate that we are all allowed, and have no problem with it.
i don’t know why you thought my post was pointing at you !!
it becomes boring when people go on about petty things like drivers having plates in back windows etc etc when so much more important stuff such as uninsured drivers and the flimping that no authority does anything about, when claiming “PUBLIC SAFETY IS PARIMOUNT”
All i know is all these things show lack of services from the councils we rely on.
rattling on about plates and top signs is just taking your eye off the ball of the safety issues. and a lot of people on here what to shout about things but then just sit about hoping someone like me will do something about EVERY problem out their.
So like i say i don’t know you neither but have no problem with you or your thoughts (even thou not always correct)but valuable all the same
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Plates and top signs are a safety issue for f***s sake! that’s where you just don’t get it!
You start with an obscured plate, then top sign on or off depending on your modus operandi, then think, well, if no one will see my plate, why bother with insurance? If no one can see my plate, I won’t get into trouble if i ‘touch’ this person, ot I charge them £20 from central to the gate.
You are either incredibly naive or you think the real world out here is incredibly stupid to believe your drivel.
I am still scratching my head to make any sense out of what you say on here. SELF SELF SELF. Anyone else who thinks anything else is deluded. And don’t bother defending yourself with one of your other usernames on here, or getting someone else to write it for you. We CAN tell when it is you or not you writing by the massive differences in grammar.
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If you think plates in rear screens and top signs are of the highest priority then crack on fighting the fight !! and when you have sorted it maybe you can start on the license trade of LONDON who’s private hire industry are allowed only a tax disc size sticker in the front and rear on there vehicles !!! Its shocking isn’t it !!!
i wonder why the lord major and his officers of our great capital think such small discrete stickers is good enough for such a industry.
maybe they were educated the the same as i was, in the experimental areas of ITA spelling (phonetic spelling) But even with this massive disadvantage from others like yourself i will endevour to cope as best i can.
Your obviously a great man that put two fingers up to common sense ? And a man who values spelling and grammar far more, this must help you a great deal while sitting in your cab reading your books ? if only i could aspire to be like you !!
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Not highest priority at all, but you just disregard the rules. Rules mad efor the safety of passengers. You disregard them all. You are certainly not an investor in passenger safety. Far from it.
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i think time out’s needed here.
to think that just because someone doesnt display a topsign or the plate is obscured that they are a unisured, pervert, robber is well, a litle silly.
but i do question why people choose not to display there plate on the back of the vehicle. and opinions change, and for the amount of berwick plates not fixed to the rear of the car should be the responsibility of berwick, the amount just displays the incabability of berwick to enforce taxis 60 miles plus down the road! BUT, is it in the hackney terms that the plate should be fitted to the rear of the car? berwick seem so lax, that it wouldnt suprise me if it wasnt!
but, if i had to choose which was worse for passenger saftey, no insurance or the plate hoyed in the rear window, then (unfortunately) i’m with ian on this one, and whats worse is it seems that this is becomming more of a problem, or is it just comming to light? maybe it’s greed or stupidy on the drivers behalf, or just a sign of the times! how to proceed on this one i have no idea, the police have a system set up whereby they can tell instantly who is and who isnt insured. is it foolproof though? and should we have this system within licencing (it would save digging your insurance cert out every few month!), but at what cost, and who would pay?
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Hi Andy. I am not saying that one offence is worse than another. That is obvious. What I am saying is that small offences invariably lead to larger ones. Enforcement starts with the simple things and should lead onto the more serious ones. If you have 2 cars, one has no plate or it is obscured, and another car with plate attached properly, which one is more likely to be commiting further offences?
Anyway, how many times has Mr Shanks said he’s not coming back on here!!
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@beggars belief,
he’s had more comebacks than rocky balboa
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he he, lol
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andy
you all keep having a dig at Berwick who are in your words incapable of enforcing 60 miles down the road !!!
well you have Newcastle that is 600 meters down the road and they cannot enforce !!!
we are back to the beginning !!
we need to have a National licensing organisation like VOSA for our industry !as its the local authority’s who have this job stuffed with all the various different standards !
anyway was rocky balboa a fighter that became a winner or a champion ?
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@ian shanks, Ian,we don’t live or work in London and the point about plates is a valid one.There are Berwick plates running around which state they ran out in March this year,I realise that they have been renewed but the point is Berwick doesn’t exist any more so who checks? Theoretically someone could manufacture a Berwick plate very simply or even steal one,stick it on the back of their vehicle or in the back window and go off to work without fear of anybody in authority checking them out,nobody would be any the wiser as nobody knows if they are legit,in date or what have you and as for people driving around out of area with an illuminated topsign only serves to confuse the public as most people will assume a car is for hire when the topsign is lit.
By the way, I have no problem with your Grammar….or your Granda.
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Admin
your point could apply to any plate !!
i could steal a Newcastle plate or copy it and put it on the back of my car if i was that way inclined !!
As par as plates having old dates on etc while councils sort their house out !! well, that again shows the problems is councils who are probably to busy hiding there wrong doings to get things correct in the first place.
You need to be looking at the bigger picture of the councils being the root of the problems rather than the smaller picture of the driver !!
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@ian shanks, I see the bigger picture,all to well. I don’t want to harp on about plates but I will say this in reply to you, most local Taxi drivers know each other and if a new North Tyneside or Newcastle plate appeared on the street it would be 5 minutes before it was sussed,my point was when you throw an out of town plate into the pot …who knows,nobody is sure wether it belongs or not. Back to the bigger picture! I created this site in the hope of more people seeing the bigger issues here but it’s like learning to swim you start in the shallow end. The problem with a forum like this,like any text based banter,it’s not always easy to get the feel of a conversation so sometimes people will come across arrogant and others will get huffy and still others will seem abusive, allowances have to be made.For all this new internet technology,this is a rather primitive way to communicate.I think most readers will understand that there are bigger things to worry about but all conversation begins with small talk and however some people come across at least the trade is talking.We all need to talk because Government,Europe & Local Authorities are just basically taking a lend of us all. It’s a cliche but ‘we are all in the same business’ and we need to organise from within rather than be pushed and shoved from all sides.The Hackney trades on Tyneside have made inroads in the last year or so with Local authorities and for our part we are having small successes. If the Private Hire and Hackney trades can begin to agree on certain things we can probably make Tyneside a great place to carry on the Taxi business.Our businesses are after all two sides of the same coin and whilst we publicly whinge at each other we play into the hands of those that would take advantage.I have read every comment ever posted here,some I have permanently deleted but for the most part I let things go because whilst not everyone agrees we are still debating and that can only be good.I am going to try putting Trade newsletters up and Council Licensing newsletters in the hope that people will see how things work in other areas and make comparisons. There are cities in Britain who have got almost everything right whilst others have not but those that got it right seem to be happy.My main point is:The trade can be it’s own worst enemy through small mindedness but we are a massive industry in terms of employment and revenue for Local Authorities and Government and as such are deserving of better service from both.
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Ian I dont think Q7 audis go on as taxis!
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i agree with most of what you say in this post.
But from my time its has been the Hackney trade that have never wished to share the same room with Private hire until recently (i refer to north tyneside) but this may also apply to Newcastle and others ?
You make your comments on other cities
“There are cities in Britain who have got almost everything right whilst others have not but those that got it right seem to be happy.
you make this comment as if you look at the bigger picture further than tyneside
but then its seems when you don’t like it you make comments like.
“Ian,we don’t live or work in London and the point about plates is a valid one”
so should we only look at the bigger picture when it suits ?
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and the point is ??????????
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A solution maybe is to introduce a national test run by the DVLA for all taxi drivers to pass,a new code on your driving liscence,to me that would get rid of the bulk of the drivel thats driving round now and almost kill of the BB situation(Berwick Bandits).
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@Live The Dream
Your solution alread exists you will find if you are up-to-date with your regulations, as its called a PCV Class 1 and this allows the person who passes this driving test to to drive every category of Hackney Carriage over or under 8 passenger seated vehicle ever built, but you can pass the Class 1a and drive every automatic Hackney Carriage over or under 8 passenger seated vehicle ever built.
Their was a few years ago an attempt by the DVLA to introduce a driving test for Hackney Carriage Taxi Vehicles with up to 8 passenger seats and Private Hire Vehicles with up to 8 passenger seats for Drivers, this did not get recieved very well especially down in Darlington I recall.
No new code on your driving licence is possible, as all Hackney Carriage Taxi or Private Hire Vehicle driving licences are covered in Section 51 and Section 54 of an Act of Parliament.
I did pass my PCV driving test when I was only 23 many years ago and have just past my medical at the age of 45 to be able to keep all my licences until I am 50 in March 2014, and so it did not worry me at the time.
Take care all.
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not sure where to wtick this, but as berwick plates were a recent issue on this post, then i will hoy it up here.
last night i was at a set of traffic lights, low and behold i was sitting behind 2 berwick plated vehicles.
one a BLT with all the company trimmings.
the other a lansdowne silver skoda berwick plate 1871.
both plates were where they should be, but one thing that jumped out at me was the BLT plate had a hologram sticker on it (sticker of autheticity?) while the lansdowne plate (berwick plate 1871) did not.
later on i seen some more berwick plates, with yet again more, i believe, hologram stickers next to the passenger capicity.
so this begs the question, why was the lansdowne berwick plate 1871 just green where this ‘hologram’ should be? has it fell off, or is there something else going on here?
maybe ian, having a masters in the subject (joke ian), can confirm if the hologram is a sticker of authencity, whether it should be on all plates, and whether it is something that can fall off durning a car wash?
and maybe berwick, and lansdowne should maybe check the credentials of this vehicle, as its probably an hounest error, but when a council licence plates 60 miles away, then you cannot be too sure.
ohh, and ian, winner or champion i belive was your question. well to be a champion, you must be a winner, but a winner isnt always a champion,,,
but in my opinion, rocky will always be remembered as someone who didnt know when to quit!
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I myself have noticed the same thing but the ones i have noticed without the hologram are just indeed stickers and not a proper plate (maybe temp only) until new plates are issued ?
ohh and wasnt rocky played by somone who made lots of money touting the same old poop.
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Anyone else got a ticket last night?? Collingwood St around 1.30..No traffic at all..everyone parked sensibly..What’s wrong with whoever told the filth to issue the taxis with tickets. I think somebodies taking the p**s. If the police think that not having the hacks on there side is no loss then they are ignorant and stupid….Oh, we already knew that!!
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