There is a fare increase on the table for the next meeting of the North Tyneside Regulation and Review Committee, Thursday 8 October 2009 at 6pm.
The proposed increase is as follows:
An increase of 10p per mile.
No change to flagfall.
Yardage reductions:
Tariff 1. reduce 220.0 yards to 207.1 yards
Tariff 2. reduce 195.6 yards to 185.3 yards
All other charges to remain as displayed on current tariff table.
I’m not particularly in favour of any increase in the current economic climate. I actually view any increase as a benefit to Private Hire rather than Hackney Carriages.
Our close neighbour, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, has already stated that they will not be pursuing a fare increase this year.
Most of the Private Hire companies, North Tyneside & Newcastle, froze their fares last year and some have even gone to the point of reducing fares.
The North Tyneside Council Hackney Carriage Demand Survey, carried out last year by Halcrow, shows in three separate places that the public think taxis are already too expensive. 59% of those canvassed stated that taxis in North Tyneside could be improved if made cheaper.
Whilst I know that the cheaper option of Private Hire will inevitably serve to make Hackney Carriages seem expensive, on a per person basis, Taxis are still reasonable compared to bus or metro journeys.
The proposed fare increase, if passed by committee will then be posted in the Newcastle Evening Chronicle for a short period to allow for any objections to be made.
The Halcrow Demand Survey Report View Here.












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Hello Admin,
I understand you are just trying to be informative on the site, but can I just say that the “Devil is in the Detail” and in relation to the Hackney Carriage Rate Increase, can I set the backdrop for the Rise Proposal.
Firstly, yes the economy in England is going through a very trying time created by the Sub-Prime Market in Property in America, not England that caused the Toxic Debt of the Banks, created through the “Greed is Good Belief of the Banking Management”.
The sad thing is though before Sub-Prime Marketing the Base Rate at the Bank was around 3% yet the Mortgage Rate was around 8% meaning with no deposit needed you could get a Mortgage and purchase your property. Now though to purchase property you need a 25% Deposit of the property value and with the base rate at 0.5% the Banks still want around 5.5% for a mortgage meaning the 5% profit figure has not changed to make the Banks Profitable within a secure market place.
Now having understood this you will understand that as Fuel, Insurance, and other Costs have risen within the last year our Hackney Carriage Industry Costs have also risen and if we do not apply for the rate increase at the annual aniversary time each year then what will happen is in future years to catchup with the required rate needed a larger rise will need to be applied for in the future, just like in 2006 when I was Chairman of the Hackney Carriage Association and the rise required was indeed a large one that year, but it was achieved at the time through good business planning and speading of the cost in a number of different ways, that some Hackney Carriage Proprietors did not agree with at the time, but never the less the rise was accepted by them once the Council had approved the rise and infact some of the first to have the rate put on to their meters were the very people who said that what I was asking for was to high.
So here we are 3 years later and the North Shields Rank Drivers who at the time formed their own low cost operation in Early November 2005, decided as it was Christmas 2005, their low cost fairs would not apply over the Christmas Period of 2005, because their profit would be effected and so the whole situation became a joke, because the rise they did not want got approved in 2006, and as soon as it did, they wanted to use it.
Let me now explain in clear terms how this rise will have an impact on the passenger, firstly we are talking about a 17 yards reduction meaning at 1760 yards or 1 mile no increase on the meter, but at 3520 yards or thereabouts the meter will show a 20p increase meaning every odd mile no increase and every even mile 20p resulting in a 10p a mile reflective rise. You know North Shields Rank does not offen get a Passenger going much above 1 mile therefore no rise to your passengers.
Unfortunately the meters being reset at a Local Company charges £10 to alter your meter and there is nothing we can do about that and perhaps for that reason leaving the Flag fall as it is and the distance as it is would have been a better option with the extras being increased to 60p a person over and above 2 passengers as that would have spread the cost between the volume of passengers travelling the standard journey of around 4miles as it would have reflected a 10p a mile average job increase that would have helped the larger fleet vehicles because of their passenger capicity above 2 passengers and their would have been no need to pay the Local Meter Company £10 to change the distance Rate as their is no increase in the Flag-fall on T1 or T2.
I am a Businessman who understands the Economy and Business Law and Practices related to each Industry that have different rules applicable, and unfortunately the Private Hire Drivers currently do not have the right to increase their rate independently, because they do not have their own Operator Licence to set thier own rate of charge, they have to rely on the Operator Licence Holders kind decision to increase the rate of charge, that normally means a £5 increase in the Operators Rent, this is not on every occassion, but it is on most, if you get a rise they want a rise.
I hope all reading this post understand and accept that the rise must be applied for to ensure, just like the Bankers, so we achieve our same level of income in this reccession, that does not reflect a fantastic return on our investment in Time and Vehicle Operations in the Trade for a 24 Hour Passenger Transport System in England and Wales.
I have a Business Plan for our Hackney Carriage Industry that does relect, as the Halcrow report states “Cheaper Charges would be of Assistance”, but I cannot reveil the Plans, until it is the appropriate time in the future when everything is in place to reveil, that will see North Tyneside the Flagship for Intergrated Public Transport through Innervation and Technology.
Hope this clears the situation somewhat.
Dave Walls
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if you had to work day in day out on north shields rank you would think different.we have lost countless fares over to central all because we are dearer,central don’t help cause they have a signe up saying ‘£1.40 cheaper here’ so i don’t care about yer subprime oojah I just want to make more than 30 quid a day and getting a fare increase won’t do that for me.
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and… it don’t matter how small the increase is the punters just see FARE INCREASE and walk to the company that ain’t had an increase in over 18 months! and…you can be sure Bundy will make a meal of it in his weekly full page spread in the news guardian!
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@NTHack,
Hello NT Hack,
Not sure which NT Hack you are, but I can guess because of your responce time, I wish to make it clear I do not intend to argue with you, but to debate as much as I can without giving my business plan with its full inferstructure details, as to the cheaper fares you crave for at present. I can always sell out to the Private Hire Operators and develope a System for the Private Hire Industry with my business brain after all, because the knowledge I have nobody else in the Hackney Carriage Taxi Industry comes close, or, knows how to develope things the way I do, or, what is required due to Acts of Parliament conditions of trading! As I have stated before I am doing all this “Free of Charge” for the Hackney Carriage Taxi Industry, but for the Private Hire Industry, I would be paid a “Kings Ransom”, if they only had my knowledge.
Between 1989 and 1994 whilst working in the Bus Industry as the elected Schedules Representative, I had a very similar situation, where a group of Drivers who only wanted to work in one specific area and they to were head strong against my vision for the total depot workforce of 135 drivers and I said to my then Chairman and Secretary who had been in elected for more years than I care to remember look, we can never satisfy all 135 drivers, but if I am allowed to take forward my vision for the drivers at the depot, I can live with around 120 of the 135 drivers being reasonably happy, just bear with me as Rome was not built in a day. The Union backed me and within 2 years we had a happy workforce, that was until the Company management decided to enforce a paycut and alot of the hard work turned into resentment of the Management at the depot.
The facts are these NT Hack, there are according to the Halcrow report 198,000 residents in North Tyneside and I would guess there are only around 3-5000 living and working around North Shields Rank and therefore there are protentially 193,000 residents in North Tyneside who could do with a better Hackney Carriage Taxi Hail and Ride Service spread out all over North Tyneside and this would create a much needed greater passenger base than North Shields Rank.
I hope you agree with my sentiments and will support my vision for the future that will achieve what you and the North Shields lads really want in the long term, that I think is a secure working environment with the protential for growth in the future without the need to pay large weekly rents to an Operator Licence Proprietor.
Thanks
Dave Walls
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A fare increase this year would not be in anyone’s interest, it could cause a further slump in trade, because Private Hire Drivers at ALL offices in the Borough would be more than happy to tell their Customers that the “Rip off Hacks” have increased their fares!!.
Secondly in any business, a product that increases in price can often be due to demand, does anyone see a demand for Hacks on a Friday night???
Saturday gone I worked only the South Parade Rank and after 01.00am, I found it slow, especially a windy night like that!, out of nine customers, three of them whinged about the fare, my biggest fare was to Shiremoor!!!!, just over £8!, at around 02.15am the Hacks on South Parade were back up to Banana Joe’s, a fare increase would have the Cars linking up to Woolies!.
Anyway this comment is just my thought, and I am not getting at anyone!
P.S. Never mind about Forum’s, CCTV and Price increases, remember Berwick is still at large!!!!……with some expired plates and no sign of them being replaced by Northumberland.
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So mr Walls…
to sum it all up you are a business genius who has a brilliant master plan that you cant tell anybody.
And instead of making money from this business sense you decide to just be a taxi driver and scrape a living like the rest of us.
dont really make sense does it.
as for the Americans knacking the econmy,we English had a well known firm called Northern Rock.cost us a good few quid to save it.they messed that up without the Americans help.Same mistakes as them maybe but not their fault
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@ntprivatehire,
it was a result of the american sub prime market that NR went tits up.
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